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SylentSlayer · Jul 04, 2007, 06:03 AM // 06:03

Ok...i really cant figure this out, my sworsmanship is good, and i have a good sword. And yet all i can hit is like 20's and some times 30's

Why am i so bad?

Im at 15 with this

And my sword im using

StarrTheInsane · Jul 04, 2007, 06:14 AM // 06:14

Take into consideration that the damage output also has to deal with armor rating of what you're hitting. The damage on the item is assuming you have a 12 in the skill, but it's also assuming...what is it, armor 60? Alot of things have higher armor than that. There's a nice calculator for actual damage vs. armor. I'll have to look up the link.

Also bear in mind that even at that level you've got the same odds of rolling high as rolling low...the range is just a bit different.

Etta · Jul 04, 2007, 08:14 AM // 08:14

Also some enermies have a high armor vs ele dmg, such as ranger. Your Icy sword won't do as much dmg to them. It's a good idea to have more than 1 set of different weapon dmg, to switch in and out. 20-30 dmg aint so bad for a default attack, your real dmg come from your attack sklills anyway.

Cebe · Jul 04, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23

If you're a warrior one of your greatest assets is your Adrenal skills. If you're using Swordsdamship may I suggest attack skills such as Sever Artery > Gash > Silverwing Slash > Dragon Slash. Whack 'em for a bit and build up adrenaline then unleash your fury by pumping out those skills. The skills which do bonus damage is what you want to be pumping out, not just standing there slashing away.

If you look at the sword damage it's 15-22, so I think I'm right in suggesting that with enough points in Swordsmanship you will be hitting within that range, but when you critical you will hit for more, hence the 30s you occaisionally see I guess.

Etta is correct in mentioning that the damage isn't slashing damage, it's cold damage. Cold damage is elemental and monsters (particularly rangers) can have a high level of armor against elemental damage.

JeniM · Jul 04, 2007, 09:15 AM // 09:15

Also for more damage try a secondary ele and conjure frost
I use the firey version with my FDS and it deals extra 19 damage every hit

Milennin · Jul 04, 2007, 09:31 AM // 09:31

Try Enraging Charge, "For Great Justice!", Barbarous Slice, Galrath Slash, Dragon Slash - at 15 Swordsmanship and around 10 Strength you'll be able to spam hits dealing 50-60s.

Bloodlust Warrior · Jul 04, 2007, 01:29 PM // 13:29

Also, consider the position of your enemies.
If in PvP, get your team to "gank" the person your are hacking at... More likely than not they will be all "Run away! Run away!" This is when the real damage comes out, on fleeing foes. I have 14 axe mastery and hit in the 20's regulaly, on a fleeing foe however, its 63. 63 every freaking time!!!

~I LOVE IT WHEN THEY RUN~

Traveller · Jul 04, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

The weapon basic damage is 15-22, so if you're hitting 20-30 with 15 swordsmanship, I'd say you're doing normally. Different targets have different armor, so you aren't going to do as much damage on higher armored targets (warriors, rangers, paragons and casters with armor boosting skills). Also, take note that skills add damage to the basic damage - so try out different combinations. I've fancied this kind of set-up in PvE:

standing slash - dragon slash - silverwing slash - flail - enraging charge - for great justice!

Once you get your adrenaline train running, you'll get the high damage attacks off constantly.

Does-it-Matter · Jul 04, 2007, 08:30 PM // 20:30

15-22 (31 for critical)
+20%
+15%
+11% (from attribute over 12, specifically at 15)

So without any skills you should do 21.9 to 32.12 (45.26 for a critical) which is consistent with your observations based upon a ~60 armor level vs. Cold damage target every 1.33 seconds.

Now while this is a possible 34.03 DPS for NO energy/adrenaline (powerful in itself) the true power of a Warrior comes in with the Adrenaline skills (and to a lesser degree the energy skills) which can essentially double the DPS (no even including IAS.)

So in summary, you are doing just fine, as everyone else said, add skills to your list.

Taki · Jul 05, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Also important in PvE is that monster lvl counts for a lot. You'll do less damage against a lvl 24-30 enemy than a lvl 20 one. Your attack skills that say +X dmg will always do that extra X amount of damage regardless of enemy lvl though, so like everyone has already pointed out, those are how you can pour out some serious damage in short bursts.

Jul 04, 2007, 06:03 AM // 06:03	#1
SylentSlayer Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: The Dark Inferno[DARK] Profession: P/W	Why am i so bad? Ok...i really cant figure this out, my sworsmanship is good, and i have a good sword. And yet all i can hit is like 20's and some times 30's Why am i so bad? Im at 15 with this And my sword im using

Jul 04, 2007, 06:14 AM // 06:14	#2
StarrTheInsane Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Stephenville, TX Profession: D/W	Take into consideration that the damage output also has to deal with armor rating of what you're hitting. The damage on the item is assuming you have a 12 in the skill, but it's also assuming...what is it, armor 60? Alot of things have higher armor than that. There's a nice calculator for actual damage vs. armor. I'll have to look up the link. Also bear in mind that even at that level you've got the same odds of rolling high as rolling low...the range is just a bit different.

Jul 04, 2007, 08:14 AM // 08:14	#3
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	Also some enermies have a high armor vs ele dmg, such as ranger. Your Icy sword won't do as much dmg to them. It's a good idea to have more than 1 set of different weapon dmg, to switch in and out. 20-30 dmg aint so bad for a default attack, your real dmg come from your attack sklills anyway.

Jul 04, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23	#4
Cebe The 5th Celestial Boss Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Inverness, Scotland Guild: The Cult of Scaro [WHO] Profession: E/	If you're a warrior one of your greatest assets is your Adrenal skills. If you're using Swordsdamship may I suggest attack skills such as Sever Artery > Gash > Silverwing Slash > Dragon Slash. Whack 'em for a bit and build up adrenaline then unleash your fury by pumping out those skills. The skills which do bonus damage is what you want to be pumping out, not just standing there slashing away. If you look at the sword damage it's 15-22, so I think I'm right in suggesting that with enough points in Swordsmanship you will be hitting within that range, but when you critical you will hit for more, hence the 30s you occaisionally see I guess. Etta is correct in mentioning that the damage isn't slashing damage, it's cold damage. Cold damage is elemental and monsters (particularly rangers) can have a high level of armor against elemental damage.

Jul 04, 2007, 09:15 AM // 09:15	#5
JeniM Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2007 Profession: W/E	Also for more damage try a secondary ele and conjure frost I use the firey version with my FDS and it deals extra 19 damage every hit

Jul 04, 2007, 09:31 AM // 09:31	#6
Milennin Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Europe Profession: W/	Try Enraging Charge, "For Great Justice!", Barbarous Slice, Galrath Slash, Dragon Slash - at 15 Swordsmanship and around 10 Strength you'll be able to spam hits dealing 50-60s.

Jul 04, 2007, 01:29 PM // 13:29	#7
Bloodlust Warrior Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: The Setnals Profession: W/N	Also, consider the position of your enemies. If in PvP, get your team to "gank" the person your are hacking at... More likely than not they will be all "Run away! Run away!" This is when the real damage comes out, on fleeing foes. I have 14 axe mastery and hit in the 20's regulaly, on a fleeing foe however, its 63. 63 every freaking time!!! ~I LOVE IT WHEN THEY RUN~

Jul 04, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01	#8
Traveller Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Finland Guild: League of Extraordinary Explorers [LOST] (my one man guild) Profession: Me/	The weapon basic damage is 15-22, so if you're hitting 20-30 with 15 swordsmanship, I'd say you're doing normally. Different targets have different armor, so you aren't going to do as much damage on higher armored targets (warriors, rangers, paragons and casters with armor boosting skills). Also, take note that skills add damage to the basic damage - so try out different combinations. I've fancied this kind of set-up in PvE: standing slash - dragon slash - silverwing slash - flail - enraging charge - for great justice! Once you get your adrenaline train running, you'll get the high damage attacks off constantly.

Jul 04, 2007, 08:30 PM // 20:30	#9
Does-it-Matter Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2005 Profession: N/	15-22 (31 for critical) +20% +15% +11% (from attribute over 12, specifically at 15) So without any skills you should do 21.9 to 32.12 (45.26 for a critical) which is consistent with your observations based upon a ~60 armor level vs. Cold damage target every 1.33 seconds. Now while this is a possible 34.03 DPS for NO energy/adrenaline (powerful in itself) the true power of a Warrior comes in with the Adrenaline skills (and to a lesser degree the energy skills) which can essentially double the DPS (no even including IAS.) So in summary, you are doing just fine, as everyone else said, add skills to your list.

Jul 05, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40	#10
Taki Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Profession: N/Me	Also important in PvE is that monster lvl counts for a lot. You'll do less damage against a lvl 24-30 enemy than a lvl 20 one. Your attack skills that say +X dmg will always do that extra X amount of damage regardless of enemy lvl though, so like everyone has already pointed out, those are how you can pour out some serious damage in short bursts.